2006-12-16

Just thought of a fun idea for a wiki affordance that helps facilitate page reworking. Essentially, the reworker leaves behind a small historical page-marker in the place where the ThreadMode content was removed. This page-marker provides a link to the new DocumentMode page and declares info about the conversation that was removed - the reworker plays historian and credits the transfer. Perhaps the marker eventually decays and gets filed away in a reworking archive or moved to the reworker’s NamePage.

I have designed an example of a historical marker and tried it out on my KeithHopper NamePage (at the top of the Comments section) marking the event in October where I deleted several pages of quality discussion and reworked it into the CollectiveProblemSolving page. More info is ‘hidden’ behind the alt tag.

I like it! I’ll try to remember to try it out next time I rework something.

I like the idea. Even though ⎋ (U+238b BROKEN CIRCLE WITH NORTHWEST ARROW) looks a bit like the power button on my Mac. 😊 Perhaps we could leave a short description on the page instead of moving it into the alt-text?

Good point on the mac thing. I wouldn’t know about that. Let me play with some other ideas. Image also looks like crud with the community-maintained CSS since it keeps the portrait border.

I thought about how much info to include on the page about the reworking, and I waffled a bit. My concern is that to a casual reader, this page marker thing is pretty meaningless. Because of this, it begged to be visually minimized. Its function really is to help the reworker feel better about deleting huge chunks of other people’s text and to help thread participants find out where things have gone off to.

I like the idea of using an interesting Unicode character. Some ideas: attention ☛☆⚠ – moved ✂✄ – reworked ♲♻♼♽⚒⚓…

Btw, for quick reference, here is the symbol used by KeithHopper, cut and pasted to here:

KeithHopper moved and reworked this thread -  thx: ZL, SR, LK, MM, et. al 10.2006

Some of the unicode symbols render correctly for me (Debian GNU/Linux w/ Iceweasel (firefox) 2.0: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061024 Iceweasel/2.0 (Debian-2.0+dfsg-1)), but many do not.

Ones that do:

Ones that do not:

I’d like it if anyone knows how I can fix my system so that the others render correctly also. However, on the assumption that I’m not the only one with this problem, perhaps it would be better to stick to the ones that do. I’m going to try using this one in a moment on CommunityWikiGovernmentNames? :

Also, Alex, is there some webpage with a list of cool iconic unicode characters that you were referring to pick these out?

OK I just tried it on CommunityWikiGovernmentNames?. Is there a link syntax that lets me specify alt text for non-image hyperlinks? Also, is there a way to put comments in OddMuse page sources? Thanks.

BTW, I agree with Keith that the icon should be as unobtrusive as possible, and that almost everything should be in the alt-text. On CommunityWikiGovernmentNames? I put a short notice “content moved to CommunityWikiGovernmentMotivation” in the main text. And I was planning to put more detail in the alt text (what was moved, by who, why) but I realized I didn’t know how.

Technically what you’re asking is to set the title attribute of links. This is currently not possible. I use the title attribute for search links and near links, from the top of my head. They’re “reserved for the system” so to say. 😉

As for Unicode characters, it really depends on how complete your font is. You can get all these characters in PDF files from the Unicode Charts. Remember to switch to the Symbols section. Good candidates are in “Dingbats” and Miscellaneous Symbols”. What I hate about these PDF files is that they disabled copy & paste. How silly is that!?

I like the scissors. 😊

OK, thank you. I don’t suppose you happen to run Debian and have advice on which font packages I should install?

Oh, and is there a way to put comments in the markup source?

Sorry, no comments in markup either.

Most of those true unicode characters posted didn’t show up in my browsers.

I definitely like the simplicity of unicode visually, though. Non-stylized images translate very well across stylesheet modifications and play well alongside the text. Three more ideas for unicode “translations”:

Anyone want to translate (or guess) what the three images might represent in words?

If we use images instead of characters, adding alt-text is not problem. Perhaps we should stick to images with alt-text, then.

I replaced ReworkIcon with a simpler image. Doesn’t look like the mac icon and will allow reworkers to handle more than just “rework and moved” but also “reworked on this page”. Seems like a good compromise. Sorry it’s not scissors :-)

Here’s an example of how it could be used for a local reworking, complete with alt text to provide more info on rollover (browser and OS permitting).

KeithHopper has reworked a thread on this page -  thx: ZL, SR, LK, MM, et. al 12.2006

There is a pretty nice and very readable set of fonts created for web, with lots of unicode glyphs, called DejaVu. For a super-complete unicode coverage, there is this Code2000 project. All of these fonts can be easily installed on modern Linux systems by putting the .ttf files in ~/.fonts directory and running fc-cache. HTH.

Keith, you might want to rework this page into a page: “ReworkIcon”. By convention we usually put images into titles such as: “ReworkIconImage.”

I too am getting excited about this idea. 😊

Would you be interested in helping me develop and experiment with the DesignatedMaintainerProcess, by volunteering to be PageMaintainer for a new page: ReworkIcon? (After moving the current contents of ReworkIcon to ReworkIconImage; I’d do it myself, but I want to make sure you’re okay with it first.) ..?

Then, AlexSchroeder could link to ReworkIcon from WriteForSkimming, and I will see if I can find a way to work it into ConversationProcess. (It’s within the list of questions; It should work somehow…) Linking to 2006-12-16 over and over just seems kind of cheesy. 😊

Define external redirect: CommunityWikiGovernmentNames

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