new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro:

I had an idea to create a CommunityPriorityBoard.

I noticed a couple of things:

  • Whenever I have a clear idea about what I’m doing next, I’m more likely to do it.
  • Whenever I have a clear idea about what I’m doing next, I get to it quicker.
  • When I know it’s important to other people, faster still.
  • A community that has an engaged meta-dynamic, that asks itself what it’s doing and why, is more engaged.

So I thought: “We should have a publicly posted, always up front, asking and reminding us of what’s important.”

I think this space should be super-volatile – changed often, changed by anyone here, and discussed.

I caught myself slipping off, and I thought, “No, what we’re doing presently is too important. I don’t want to fall off.”

We’ve been discussing great ideas. Let’s focus on what those are? Make an OrganizedInquiry, a CommunityProject?, or just a focused topic of discussion?

If we’re a little more deliberate about noticing what’s animating us, it might be a good thing. We’d know this is working, if we contribute more and feel more engaged in MutualInspiration, which – we can feel whether we are or not.

new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro:

It strikes me that some of the things we might want to focus on are:

  • SmolNet – do we have project ideas? Specific networks we want to explore and participate in?
  • the aesthetic or principle of SimpleSystems – do we want to formulate a manifesto? What would be critical in it? Who is engaged in this space? What projects exemplify the simple systems approach, explicitly or implicitly? What are the critical dimensions of this thought?
  • AggregatedInformation – would we like to try experiments in aggregated information on this wiki? It seems simple enough to do – we have a nice easily parsable table format, for example, and we could create a SideSystem or code system that aggregates information from the wiki, assembles it in some intelligent way, and writes it back, or uploads a file to the wiki, representing the information assembled?

Having a shared project, whether it’s a software coding project, or an OrganizedInquiry, or anything, makes something that we can show and share, work on, talk about and talk around, and enjoy working on together.

I’m open to other priorities. And I don’t see why we can’t include priorities that only one person is interested in exploring, as long as they’re okay with publishing understanding that others might not be interested in who are immediately here. But even WorkingSideBySide? and ReceivingFeedback? are good things in community spaces, even when people aren’t WorkingTogether.

new: 2021-01-29 11:30 UTCAlex Schroeder: I noticed myself doing something similar, looking at RecentChanges and thinking to myself, “what could I write that I find important and that might interest Lion, too?” Because I absolutely feel MutualInspiration is like a fire that can be kindled or die down, an energy that can be focused or dispersed, squandered.

Making it even more explicit might help. I guess our FrontPage used to be a thing that explained to new visitors what we were interested “now” but it’s hard to maintain (maybe even locked due to spam attempts), and it’s always looking slightly backwards, never forwards, since it can only list existing pages, never MissingPages. It’s the wrong tool.

new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro: Yeah! Something that’s forward-looking.

Alex, I’m most interested in – what interests you?

I think I notice that you are really interested in Gemini. What is it about Gemini that really caught your imagination?

Are you into SmolNet concepts?

Now I notice that making things explicit doesn’t necessarily work when the thing is an ember or a spark – the pressure of having to make something explicit can kill enthusiasm. Remembering dreams in the morning, if I try and put it into words too soon, it can squash the dream.

new: 2021-01-29 17:01 UTCTimurIsmagilov:

SmolNet – do we have project ideas?


do we want to formulate a manifesto?

It’s about time. SimpleSystemsManifesto be it.

Having a shared project, whether it’s a software coding project

MycorrhizaWiki accepts pull-requests and lacks developers :-) I expressed some ideas at https://mycorrhiza.lesarbr.es/page/idea and there is also https://github.com/bouncepaw/mycorrhiza/projects/1

new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro:

Mmm, not feeling it yet.. Let’s see…

Maybe we should look at what we’ve already been doing, and see if we can’t identify some fundamental threads in what we’ve already been animated by…

new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro:

Or maybe we should take even one step further back?

new: 2021-01-29 11:30 UTCAlex Schroeder: An interesting question. I think Community Wiki only reflects a small part of what I’m interested in and therefore looking at my activity here is misleading. Trying to brainstorm: I like to play role-playing games and I’m interested in mapping programs that generate maps, and programs that allow me to modify maps without being an artist. I’d also like to be an artist. I’d love to be good at ink wash painting. I’d love to play a simple instrument like the recorder. I’m also interested in programs that generate texts to use for play, often driven by random tables because I think the neural networks currently en vogue don’t scale for single person endeavours. As a programmer at the office, I’m interested in why we keep writing software that I can barely understand. What drives this complexity? What drives customer wish-lists? What drives developer fashions? Why is capitalism the root of all evil? As a programmer at home, I’m interested in how I can write programs that are easy for me to come back to in a year, in two years, in five years. How to write programs that attract somebody else to help me out. How to talk about my programs such that other people see what’s great about them, such that they use them, and contribute towards them, but sharing my values regarding complexity and longevity. How to make sure that my works survive me. How social media works: what kinds of messages make people feel good. How to learn – and how to teach others – not to be a ReplyGuy?, not to be SeaLioning?, how to DeColonise? my writing, the intricacies of muting, blocking, archiving and expiry – I’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of the idea of RecordKeepers?, see 2017-04-27 Record Keeping, a blog post that I keep linking! And thus, the design of social media, the filter algorithms that make them addictive, that encourage bubble formation, the drift towards stupidity online (NationalSocialism?, ProudBoys?, TeaParty?, InvoluntaryCelibacy?, AntiVaccination?, UrFascism?, and so on)… the link from these things to politics is important for our future and yet another symptom of our inability to deal with systemic problems such as GlobalWarming. I’m writing WikiLinks? for all these political topics not because I want to discuss the actual topics but because I feel I need to better understand them as symptoms of underlying social, political, or even economic issues. And in a way I wonder how we can talk about all these things with our friends, our class mates, our family – our community. Community Wiki.

Anyway, of all of these things, I don’t really see too much on Community Wiki, but this is why I care about Community Wiki. As you can see, I’m actually not all that interested in wikis except as a communication tool that encourages collaboration, mutual ownership. Wiki is praxis. Wiki is – or can be – an illustration of simple software design, of simple user interface design. I also don’t care too much about web other than that it serves as an example of SurveillanceCapitalism?, of CompoundingComplexity?, of RegulatoryCapture? (of the W3C), of MonopolyFormation? (of the browser market), or about Gemini other than that it serves as a counter to all of this. For me, Gemini is praxis. It is the actual doing, the making of a point.

But other than that, there’s also the personal. The love of my life, pictures of flowers, of nature, of hikes… My social media feed @kensanata has plenty of pictures, of tidbits of my personal life, which serves as a grounding, as an opportunity to connect on an emotional level (I hope!), and that is also important. Where does that fit in, in the context of community building?

As you can see from all the above, I have no idea what to say. Is this “taking one step further back?” I’d say I’m not ready to write “the” manifesto. What would it be like, except something obvious like “don’t take your freedom for granted!” or similar. The SmolNet is simply a meme, WordMagic – a word to focus the attention on something I care about, but … I’m not ready to write something like the Agile Manifesto and work on it. A SimpleSystemsManifesto would be a fun page to write, but also quickly forgotten, I fear. I don’t remember any manifestos except for “Workers of the world, unite!”

“People of the world, unite! – Community Wiki” 😃

Anyway, I’m not sure how to move forward from here. Would picking one element and turning it into a writing project be beneficial? Perhaps? At the same time, motivation and enthusiasm is something that cannot be commanded, or even wished for.

So here’s the alternative: I wrote a long StreamOfConsciousness statement about all the things I’m interested in at the moment, and if anything speaks to you, start that page and chances are I’ll weigh in. Or write a similar exposition and allow me and others to find common grounds.

new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro:

Thanks, Alex.

Yes, this is indeed “taking one step further back.” It’s exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.

HMMmmmm, let’s see…

For myself, I’ve got… …a lot of irons in the fire right now.

  • I’m teaching myself a lot of Japanese, very rapidly. I’m at 788 漢字 on ワニカニ, and reading 日本語 daily.
  • I’m working an amazing contract, where I program in my ADHD way, and the company I’m serving just loves what I’m doing.
  • I’m expanding into the social world of programming, and enjoying that too, though I don’t have any collaborators for the time being, and that’s a little lonely. But I’ve only just started.
  • The StarCommunity is my first and main project. That’s going a little slow at the time, and half of that’s because of my involvement in things online. That said, we’re doing two exciting things at the moment, but it’s exciting to me, I’m not sure it’s exciting to anybody else. It’s definitely all about community, though.
  • I’m missing Susie, and my other lovers, who are away for Covid reasons. Fortunately, Susie comes back mid-February, and I’ll see her after she gets tested.
  • I’ve been having conversations with people on Facebook, mostly centered around my research into the philosophy of MartinLutherKing?. I do think a lot about SocialEpistemology?, but there’s very few people to talk with about it in a real and direct way. I refer to the PassagesOfPerspective map, all the time.

I was hoping that we’d find a SoftwareProject? to work on together, around SimpleSystems ideas or AggregatedInformation, but I don’t see that happening now, and I’m not seeing a center of gravity become strong enough here, so I feel a little sad about that. But it’s not that there aren’t other things that I can work on or do with others.

I think there’s something that can be done, I’m just not clear on what it is right now.

new: 2021-01-29 09:25 UTCLionKimbro:

Another note, about manifestos --

They are often about:

  • energy finding – “What is our motive? Where did we find some energy?”
  • taking a stand on some position – “This is an unpopular place, but we think there’s something here.”
  • rallying sympathetic people

It doesn’t have to be “We’re going to conquer the world.” It can simply be: “This is important,” or even simply: “This is the idea that excites us.”

new: 2021-01-29 17:01 UTCTimurIsmagilov:

Re: SimpleSystemsManifesto. I’m ok if the manifesto ends up forgotten. At least we can figure out what systems are simple and what systems are not. But manifestos are cool.

Here’s what interests me:

  • My technical interests are centered around writing something.
    • I likes wikis because they are good for writing something.
    • I like keyboards because they are good for writing something.
    • I like languages (both human and computer) because they are good for writing something.
      • I speak these languages at different level: Russian (mother tongue), English (B2—C1, I guess), [[Esperanto?]] (I used to be B2), French (A2, I hope). I can also recognize and understand some phrases in Italian, other Romance languages, other Slavic languages, other Auxlangs, Japanese. Well, who doesn’t.
    • Most of stuff I do is either procrastinating or doing stuff that lets me do the stuff that lets me do the stuff that lets me do the stuff…
  • I’m also a blogger of some sort.
    • https://t.me/bpblog My Telegram channel is a nice place. See my user page on CW for more links, I guess.
  • I’m also an artist of some sort.
    • I consider programming an art form.
    • I have quite a collection of unfinished novels… I have found 12 listed on CyberRachel.
    • I also want to become a good artist. Currently, I’m not as good as I want to be, but let’s wait a couple years.
  • Consuming content is important!
    • I like Japanese mass culture. I guess you should know that my favorite mangas are Shimeji Simulation and Mushishi. I’m currently obsessed with the first one.
    • My favorite music genres are Hardstyle, Hardcore, Reggae, Denpa. My favorite animals are cats, of course.
    • I used to play MagicTheGathering casually a lot before CoronaVirus? struck.

Here’s what I plan to do during this year:

  • MycorrhizaWiki 1.0 release!
  • Make my sites be generated with my special technique which I’ll describe in details later.
  • Finally create that super-program that lets me not to read Twitter. I’m so tired of it. I haven’t opened the app for two weeks because of how bad it is. But I want the content inside! Therefore, I need a program that will turn Twitter to RSS feeds with special features.
    • A friend of mine said he wants to make the same program. I’ll probably leave it to him.
  • Finish school, I guess. Pass exams, I guess. Enter university, I guess.
  • Make a new keyboard. Some notes here [http://klavarog.tk/page/клавиатуры/чекан] I need to get it done before uni.
  • Understand how normal people function.
    • What do they like? Games? TV?

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