There is a way to get an automatic translation of a page by using a prefix composed of the language shorts for the original language and the language translated to. For example:
The folks on s23 invented it. It uses the InterMap and Google translation. http://www.google.com/language_tools. The presently possible language pairs are En / De, It, Fr, Pt, Sp in either direction and Fr / De in either direction as the only pair not containing english. There are many other online translation services that might be used offering languages as russian, arabic and swedish.
For more ideas on an improved application of this feature see http://wikifeatures.wiki.taoriver.net/moin.cgi/AutomaticTranslation
Translation seems a bit flaky. Is there some way of saving the raw machine translation for editing by humans? Also, clicking on EnDe:SoftSecurity brings you, not to a translation, but to the Meatball Soft Security page!
I just read “Nach Babel” (After Babel: Aspects of Language and Translation, by George Steiner ISBN: 0192880934) and while readers may agree more or less with him, he gives a great deal of arguments, why translation is difficult, not only between languages, but also between people using the same language (but in different time or cultural context). Basically he also gives many pieces of evidence, that all but the most simple automatic translations are bound to fail. This is in accord with my own experience: If there is substancial meaning or context in a sentence, automatic translation fails. It needs a mind, sometimes an excellent mind, and sometimes even this is not enough. AutomaticTranslation means the solving the problem of an artifical mind and AI is far from that. – HelmutLeitner
see http://wikifeatures.wiki.taoriver.net/moin.cgi/AutomaticTranslation for my further intentions as automatic preparation for manual translation. Automatic translated text is very often corrected faster and the results are more precise (as unknown vocabulary is pretranslated) than when translating something from scratch and looking up things in a dictionary. I think it might speed up translation a lot. Caring for a good result remains every translators duty, sure.
AutomaticTranslation can very well transport the essential meaning of a text. It means to learn to write in a way so that the translated results are understandable. That means a link to the translated page on the originals top, and comparing the translated page and the original page and changing the original one until the translated one is half-way understandable. I tried this a bit on Spam ist Information. How does it feel?
A way of saving the raw machine translation for editing by humans would be nice, yes. Right now one would still have to copy and paste it. I sense the necessity for a translation mode here, a special edit mode with inserted raw translation and a left right split window, the original left, sentence by sentence would be great.
automatic feed translation
The above is from 2004, a while ago. Yesterday it especially bugged me that I do not speak Russian. I searched for translate feed. Yahoo pipes had the capability to translate an entire feed but it has been removed again. Hm. Maybe somebody on community-wiki knows how to effectively trick around that?
My idea was to automatically translate the feeds for facebook groups about pussy riot. It’s described on pussy-riot-wiki - 2012-08-30 talk.
I started collecting links in search for a solution on 'wiki-net' - 2012-08-30 talk. Thanks for any hints.
Automatic translation - tiles only currently - works on pussy-riot-wiki - facebook groups pussy riot ru to en.
I played around with automatic translations: pussy-riot-wiki - category automatic translation. It uses the m$ bing api, yes - the only way for feed translation without being charged for currently, it seems. Point me to an alternative if you know one, please, I’m with it. The descriptions translate too now but the whole thing only works partially. My feeling is that bing times out. Something in the yahoo pipe that gives bing another 20 seconds to finish the job might help.
I’m imagining pretty wild multilingual stuff I could try out if this feature could be played around with unrestrictedly (← no idea if this word exists in English). “…, wenn man damit uneingeschränkterweise herumspielen könnte” in German.