Sounds awesome! You should also check out the Educational Technology wiki. Oh, wait- I see- You've already discovered it. Yay!
Thank you for the welcome!
Thanks for the recommendation, Murray. We have to get an outside expert to critique or reflect on our experiments, perhaps I will ask him this. I think I'd like to prepare something first. I know people like that are very busy, and it's important to consider their time.
And, thanks, Mattis, I didn't realise that about losing the diffs after two weeks. Hmm... there's a configuration point! It's all so subtle. -- HeatherJames
Heather, I'm a Masters student at the Knowledge Media Design Institute here at the University of Toronto. We have strong ties to Ontario Institute for Studies in Education. Clicking around your assorted projects, I wonder if you would be interested in linking our various student bodies together? I'm working on building a coalition of graduate students in the new and burgeoning field of Internet research to trade things like interesting papers, conferences, grants, and so on. Would you be interested in this if I got it off the ground? -- SunirShah
See http://www.aoir.org/ but its mostly non-educational research.
Hi, Heather. Question: how do you think wiki compares with real-time whiteboarding technologies? Why use wiki (notorious for the WikiNow) in real-time environments?
Jack Park is never too busy to answer thoughtful questions. Signed: JackPark, at Murray's suggestion.
Hello, and thanks for stopping by.
Evan, I need to think about your question more thoughtfully! Thanks for asking it. (oooo- new direction to read up on!) But I can say that I'll be using wiki as a constructionist tool for learners to build meaningful artefacts- which they will create in the context of the wiki. So allowing for the fact that wiki creates documents, these artefacts remain to be reflected on. I've only used whiteboarding a little, but you can't export various stages of the process, and where would they stay? How would they be searched? Also, it seems like it would be handy for a certain kind of response- graphical, rather than textual.
LOL, Mattis! Too funny. I'm sorry about that. I was just always clicking my back button and never encountered this problem. Oh dear. I've added a link back to 'default' theme above.
Someday, someday now...
By the way, have you heard about the AnnotationWiki idea? It was mostly FridemarPache's, but I'm interested in it too (low priority for me, though). The idea is to "wikify" non-wiki sites by having an annotation system for arbitrary webpages and letting people edit the annotations on wikis.
1. interesting thing- i had saved some links on this page, and somehow, after the comments, they have disappeared, and my page reverted... and my changes were lost. i wonder why? is it because i called the changes minor, and someone edited a previous diff? hmpf.
2. word of the day: zauber (german) means charm.
3. i was playing around with foaf at peopleaggregator.com. (mark canter is going to integrate his project with drupal somehow). is anyone else playing around with FOAF here? it's seems like something where, eh... you have to have 'friends' in order to grok the Friend-of-a-friend functionality.
4. AnnotationWiki... okey i'm going to check this out. it sounds like what the web was *supposed* to be in the first place.
Just a few days ago, we were talking FOAF on IRC.
Eventually, I think, FOAF should support the notion of a "group." If it doesn't already..!
I also think that, instead of manually setting "knows" relationships and things like that, it should automatically hook up "knows" based on observed interactions..! So if you talk with someone with high frequency, the "knows" lights up. If you don't see that person for a long time after, the "knows" goes out. But if you periodically see them, over years or something like that, it the light stays on for a longer time.
If it's automatic, people feel less awkward about it. (Of course, you could manually set it differently, if you need to.)
I'm not sure you're allowed to do that, since the CommunityWikiLicense is not the GNU FreeDocumentationLicense. So we can quote as part of FairUse, but we cannot copy, I think. I'd be surprised if the BerneConvention has treats "educational purpose" as an exception.
I think Heather's note isn't so much a "We are legally allowed to do this," as much as it is a "Please don't hurt us, we are your friends."
I believe we intend to delete the page, after we've worked it over.
If we don't edit the page, I think we should just delete it. Maybe a note saying, "Delete after such-and-such date."
it's ok if we should delete it. that's fine. it was more just a test and experiment. about using a document, and having simultanteous discussion about it. in a way, i don't think the experiment failed, but I bet we could try again sometime.
i don't feel any need to work on it further, really. i think i started getting more interested in other ideas that came out that convo.. like when lion mentioned habermas...
the next time, if anyone wanted to try again, we could start with a blank page... instead of group refactoring.
pirahna, if you want to keep it, i won't delete it. otherwise i'll delete it.
we could direct people straight over to the wikipedia entry instead.
i don't really want to get into a big discussion on copyright at this moment,but i actually believe that what we've done here does fall solidly under FairUse -- the nature of the work we copied is purely factual, we are non-profit, we made a copy of only a single article ( = a small part of the entire work), in order to create a derivative work, for the purpose of research/education, for a limited time, for which we are citing the source, and the use of which does not lose the copyright holder any sales.
i mean, fair use is a difficult area of the law, but this is so right smack in the middle of it that i can't see the copyright holder having an issue with it. the britannica lets me copy bigger chunks verbatim with only a cite.
if anyone does see it as a problem, however, i'll move it to my own wiki where i would have no ethical compunction about keeping it. i should get my act together and make that thing public; i actually have a pretty good "fair use" article on there too.