InteractivitySystem

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new: 2020-12-25 05:40 UTCLionKimbro:

When I say an “Interactive System,” or “Interactivity System,” what I mean is a software system for accessing:

  • direct user keyboard input
  • direct user mouse input
  • direct presentation of graphics
  • direct presentation of text & icons
  • direct presentation of lines, shapes, graphs
  • timing & eventing

I use this term to distinguish often-times from widget libraries, which I see as a more restricted subset of interactivity systems, and with greater default structure.

When a game programmer is programming the user interface for their game, they are programming within an interactivity system, typically, rather than in a widget-library system, because games typically focus on immersive environments that create the feeling of being somewhere else, and the typical widget library immediately brings to mind something more mundane, something more like work.

I have directed a lot of my programming in the last few years to focusing on programming interactivity systems, because I am working on developing a SchematicMedium, and also because I have lost faith and interest in the WebBrowser as the bedrock platform for collaborative interaction. Also because I feel profoundly disillusioned by the WidgetLibrary? system of programming GUIs, and have decided to take a step back from all of that.

One of my fantasies is to develop something like a wiki, but with a custom client-running browser, that would make the entire experience radically different.

In fact, I can imagine an ordinary wiki co-existing with a custom browser, that skilled editors use to interact with the wiki.

I feel less and less tied to, “Well, it has to be on the web.” A discussion likely for another page.

new: 2020-12-25 22:54 UTCAlex Schroeder: I’ve been writing a few blog pages on how the web is broken (in short: it’s too damn complicated to implement without a big company and a ton of money) which is why I’m very much into Gemini right now, and which is also why I’m currently more interested in Phoebe instead of Oddmuse.

Other things I’ve been enjoying are the programs by Rekka & Devine of Hundred Rabbits, where I see them experimenting with Electron at first but then moving to C with SDL as their library. The result are things like Orca and other tools.

new: 2020-12-25 05:40 UTCLionKimbro:

I completely agree. This agreement – on the piece about how the web is broken. I want to see your blog posts on that, and collect them here somewhere. Let’s explore this theme somewhere further. (TheWebIsBroken?)

And I love those experiments you were depicting – the Hundred Rabbits. I want to explore this a bit more.

I don’t think that Gemini has long-term potential – it seems to … stark, for me. I looked through the content, and I wanted to want it, but I had a hard time doing so. I felt like it was just a little too economized on features. Some kind of sugar was missing for me.

But on the other hand, I do like it, and I think that – I think it proves that communities of people can create these alternative paradigm technologies, and actually build on one anothers work, and that there is a body of people out there who will engage with SimpleSystems, and that it can really happen and be interesting.

IndyWeb? kind of annoyed me, in ways that I have a hard time articulating, – maybe it’s just my residual bitterness over how Tantec mishandled, in my opinion, the new format creation process.

I don’t have that kind of annoyed feeling, with Gemini.

new: 2020-12-26 17:29 UTCTimurIsmagilov:

Kimbro, did you mean IndieWeb https:indieweb.org/? If yes, fix your comment, if you want, and delete this paragraph. If no, just delete this paragraph.//

What I like about 100 Rabbits the most is not their software projects. To be honest, I’m not really interested in them. I like their lifestyle more: the whole Pino boat thing. It kinda inspired me and now I want to have a boat. Other things I want to own are a concrete pyramid, a lighthouse and a mill. A good mouse would also be good. Also, Rekka is a writer! Wiktopher is a recent story; I read the first paragraphs and I liked it. I’ll go back to it when I finish reading Dune.

As for Gemini, I think it’s cool. But, to be honest, it makes a lot more sense to invest time in the web, not in the geminisphere. Note that MycorrhizaWiki’s support of Gemini is an after-thought; when I’m writing this paragraph, it’s not implemented yet.

As for interactive systems, I’ve been thinking about a better paradigm for using computers which is more like a game. Imagine a room with portals. Each portal would represent a server you can SSHly connect too. For me, that would be https://lesarbr.es, https://tanelorn.city, http://klavarog.tk and my home server. Four portals! Cool.

Something like GopherVR could be done for geminisphere or for local filesystem.

new: 2020-12-25 05:40 UTCLionKimbro:

Well I think part of what we’re talking about is the conscious development of the MetaphoricalSystem? for structuring thought. Like a MemoryPalace?, but for the organization of information, including program encoding (“code”) information.

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