Work with TransClusion seems to have progressed to the point that it may be worth taking the risk of posting this to attract some constructive criticisms. Hence, this collection of some point-form Findings, Conclusions and Recommendations.

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Some Findings(Observations)...

initial Conclusion(s)...

Context modifies meaning.

Using One Wiki Engine to control content in another, may be preferable

Recent experience in creating MicroContent blocks that exist in many different (OddMuse) wikis as evolved into a methodology in which TiddlyWiki is used to control access to OddMuse content.

A couple of examples in which this appears to dramatically more productive, include…


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http://wagn.org/wagn/Wagn.org creates “cards” instead of “pages”. Allows TransClusion by attaching cards to other cards through a very simple page naming scheme:

“Sam_Rose” could be the main “card” (page)

“Sam_Rose+current_work” would make “current_work”, but also automatically transclude it into “Sam_Rose”

Also, there is a “WQL” being developed to query Wagn http://wagn.org/wagn/WQL

I am talking with some of them now about ideas around InterWiki and NearLinks, at least between Wagn installs.

This comes very, very, very close to what I had in mind for doing this type of things with OddMuse. Thought you might at least fidn it interesting, HansWobbe.

PS. HansWobbe:

The dynamic capabilities of javascript that make TiddlyWiki and ideal Client-side engine allow this wiki to import the source of an OddMuse page and render it very effectively within a TiddlyWiki wrapper. This has PROFOUND benefits in creating “pages” that offer the best of both worlds!

That is quite interesting. Do you have examples of this working? Also, where do you detail how you integrate with OutLook? (if at all)?

Re: OutLook? integration…

MicroContent needs to anticipate migrating among diverse MicroContext?(s).

  • Recent releases of TheBrain are increasingly integrated with OutLook?. Not only do these feature good GUI interfaces, but they both support RTF, making it relatively easy to “publish” documentation for both electronic and print media. While I am not a fan of MicroSoft’s OutLook? and Exchange server technologies (I consider them “bloatware”), they are almost universally used in the “enterprise” class organizations that I work with. Furthermore (at least so far) OutLook? seems to dominate in synching its standard Objects between mobile and desktop systems. As a result I find myself letting my content objects “migrate” among these environments, as well as between TiddlyWiki (and its emerging server-side TiddlySpace? evolution) and about a dozen OddMuse sites (which are used to host Content for specific groups).
  • The fact that my MicroContent is increasingly mobile and generally appears in many different environments, is one of the reasons that I find myself defining a “lowest common denominator” for wiki source, that can coexist, migrate and sync in many different “MicroContexts?”.


  • Sorry for the delay in responding, but I’ve had to focus on a few other matters and will likely have to continue to do so until the end of the month.
  • Thanks for the “Wagn” reference.

Hans, no problem. Consider us in the WikiNow, and I am sure you’ll engage when you can :)