MurrayAltheim2004Q1

(this is the archive of discussion on MurrayAltheim's page through April 1st, 2004)

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Welcome to the wiki! It seems that several people have reinvented markup languages over the years... ;) On the Emacs Wiki we've had at list two wiki-to-html processors, we have another one called BHL that translates to LaTeX and HTML, there's yet another attempt called muse that translates to these and others such as GNU Texinfo. And that's only talking about the markup languages that rely use significant whitespace...

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Hi Alex. Thanks for the welcome. I'm not really so much interested in inventing a new markup -- I just happened to have done so in the process of solving a different problem. What I'm keen to see happen is providing a way to allow for convergence of wiki languages without forcing them to do so. The first step towards that (to my mind) is to create a way to label wiki languages with a common MIME type coupled with a simple labelling/namespace scheme. A second step would be to develop an application that could convert from multiple wiki languages to XHTML, so that a wiki application could allow people to author wiki pages in one of a variety of wiki markups. I happen to have a Java application shell that I'm thinking might be suitable for that purpose. You'd feed it a file reference, and it would read the initial line of the file. If it recognized the URI namespace of the wiki language, it would pass the file off to the appropriate processor for generation of the XHTML.

Now, I'm looking at this with a bit of a technical bent, as I don't admittedly have that deep a knowledge of wiki culture (if such a homogenous culture exists to call it by name). But if this idea of a MIME type has any value, perhaps we can work together towards filing a registration for the MIME type with IANA (the IETF registration authority).

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Good syntax choice. Call your parser "wiki", get it to run correctly from the shell, and you could "run" a Wiki page to get XHTML output :)

Then set up Apache to treat Wiki pages as CGI scripts, and you have a set of Web pages.

Addendum: I've done just that at http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cjp39/Cham/ChamWiki.

Cool! see the new WikiSyntaxRegistry. -- MurrayAltheim

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Hey Murray, welcome. I feel a little more displaced as a non-programmer here by your appearance, which is a b s o l u t e l y no problem, but I feel as well (I feel, I do not understand) that we are getting closer, and that's what counts. Heya!

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Mattis, thanks! Sorry to have the effect as you describe. If it's any consolation, my hair is about the same length as yours, my degree is in film and my longer-term aspirations are as a writer. So while I do programming, it's only a means to an end (I've also been doing it for over 20 years, so it's sorta like breathing, sad to say). My Ph.D. is based around an authoring tool designed to help writers, and not just technical writers.

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Welcome Murray. En fran├žais, like Mattis I'm not a programmer. But I understand we could speak in french of PubliCooperation? ;)

[new]Christophe, bonjour et merci de la bienvenue! I understand a bit of French, but I don't speak it well enough to carry on a conversation. I sometimes think about living in France (and were it not for a small misunderstanding I might be in Paris right now). The PubliCooperation? page you refer to seems to be missing, but I'm certainly interested in discussions of that nature. -- MurrayAltheim

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Sorry for the inconvenience. This page has a VersionHistory. Let's say for the moment it's just the activity we just all make on any wiki. In France, it was a story of a WikiClone project born on IgeneratorWiki, based and copyrighted now in a WikiAquarium elsewhere. So let them work... But we could follow-up anywhere any conversation correlated about your project of designing any tool who could help any writer. Sounds interesting.


Hey, Murray. I'm supposed to contact a student rep at KMi in deference to the Knowledge Media Design Institute where I am a Masters student. Glad to see you around the wiki world. Would you mind a little parlay (by e-mail) re: the fate of students of knowledge media in the world at the moment? -- SunirShah

P.S. You may be interested in reading more about WikiSyntax, and our push towards a WikiInterchangeFormat. We're aiming to have a working, implemented, sane "standard" by end of year. (Standard is the wrong word though; more like an RFC.)

Sunir, yes, very interested. I just put up a page on WikiMime. I'll catch up with you via email. Being Canadian myself, you can tell me about what's happening in Toronto... -- MurrayAltheim

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I experience enlighted chats on IRC, channel #wiki. They're all around. Just connect and wait for a big fish to take the bite. It's exiting. I recommend it, but you might know.

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Howdy! I don't know if you've seen it: Check out IntComm:LocalName. :)

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Murray, about writing. There are nice examples, yes, if you take the time. But half a page of code rather changes the world than half a page of text (NOW). That's why I'm here.

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