see also the NoLeader-en “English only” version] of this page.

[en]As a community, we would like to say that we all did it, that no leadership was required, “It happened of its own accord”.
[de]Als Gemeinschaft würden wir gern sagen können, dass wir es gemeinsam gemacht haben, dass dazu keine Führerschaft erforderlich war, “Es geschah wie von selbst”.
[fr]En tant que communauté, nous aimerions dire que nous l’avons tous produite, sans qu’aucune direction ne soit nécessaire, “ c’est arrivé comme ça, spontanément.”
[it]Come membri di questa comunità ci teniamo ad affermare che l’abbiamo fatta (nascere e la manteniamo) tutti insieme, che non abbiamo avuto bisogno di un capo: “la comunità è nata spontaneamente”.

[en]From The Tao Te Ching:
[de]Aus dem Tao Te Ching:
[fr]extrait du Tao Te Ching:

[en]Man cannot comprehend the infinite;
only knowing that the best exists,
the second best is seen and praised,
and the next, despised and feared.
[de]Unendliches kein Mensch begreift,
das Beste einer kaum erahnt.
Zweitbestes wird geachtet und geliebt,
das Dritte, Fremde schon, gefürchtet und gehasst.

[en]The sage does not expect that others
use his criteria as their own.
[de]Den Weisen sehnt es nicht
nach Übernahme seiner Werte.
[fr]Le sage n’attend pas que d’autres adoptent ses règles.

[en]The existence of the leader who is wise
is barely known to those he leads.
[de]Der weise Führer schweigt, wo andre reden.
Er führt fast unbemerkt.
[fr]L’existence du chef lorsqu’il est sage est à peine perceptible par ceux qui le suivent.

[en]He acts without unnecessary speech,
so that the people say,
“It happened of its own accord”.
[de]Und mancher fragt sich: “Geschah es wie von selbst?”
[fr]Il agit sans discours inutile, de sorte que les gens disent, “c’est arrivé comme ça, spontanément”.

[en]Please correct the translations and add new ones. Thank you.
[de]Bitte die Übersetungen korrigieren und neue Übersetzungen anfügen. Danke.
[fr]Veuillez corriger les traductions et en ajouter de nouvelles. Merci.

[en]For more translation see also the monolingual pages:
[de]Weitere Übersetzungen auf den einsprachigen Seiten:
[fr]Pour plus de traduction voyez également les pages monolingues :

[en] No leader (multilingual page) [NoLeader-en English only page]
[de] Kein Führer (mehrsrachige Seite) [Keine Führer Kein Führer] (einspachig Deutsche Seite)
[fr] Pas de Chef


[en]For me it’s quiet curious to read this :
[en]“The existence of the leader who is wise is barely known to those he leads.”
[en]I find it curious because of the tittle of this page ;-)
In my mind No Leader means that the community is its own Leader,so each one can potentially lead and be lead, in the two cases each one make a choice = make an action = express a position…. a kind of organization evolving in a flow of interactions.
Maybe it’s just a question of interpretation.

[en] The Tao text which looks more like the source for this page seems to be titled Leadership by exception
[de] [fr] [it]La versione del testo Tao che più somiglia a questa pagina mi sembra intitolata La pura influenza

[en]The quantity and the diversity of interpretations about the texts of the Tao Te Chin give me an opportunity to make an observation : I’ve no point of reference to translate this type of document and also to position me between the different existing documents, it poses the problem of knowledge about a subject,a culture. Knowledge about a field/a culture allow to built a set of references to understand the whole context which belongs a document and so allow to read it or even interpret it in whole “knowledge of cause”.
These knowledge give meaning not directly to “things” but give meaning to “relations” which exist between the things.This ressemble strongly with a problem which returns to the translation challenges:-)
[fr]la quantité et la diversité des interprétations à propos des textes du Tao Te Chin m’amène à une observation : je n’ai aucun repère pour traduire ce type de document ou même m’orienter entre les différent documents existants, car se pose le problème de la connaisssance d’un sujet, d’une culture. La connaissance d’un domaine/d’une culture permet de constituer un ensemble de références pour comprendre le contexte global auquel appartient un document et donc permet de le lire ou même de l’interpréter en toute connaissance de cause.
Cette connaissance donne du sens non pas directement aux choses mais donne du sens aux relations qui existent entre les choses. Ceci resssemble fortement à un problème qui renvoie aux Défis de la Traduction :-)

[en]I’d like to venture to say that this somewhat blatantly contradicts Brooks’ ideas of the development process in the book Mythical Man-Month. From where I sit, Brooks seems to state that decisions are slow to be made and not cohesive with purely democratic rule. If someone isn’t in the position to make the final decision when urgency is needed, or when the community is torn between two alternatives, a final decision is hard to come by or may never even be made. Is this true of wiki communities? Also, can collective pieces of ideas of random spurts of people really come together to form a cohesive, whole ideas?

Paraphrasing what you just said for clarity:

“If there isn’t an authority or CommunityDoesNotAgree, final decisions can be hard to come by.”

  • Is this true of WikiCommunity?
  • Can collective bits of ideas and random spurts come together to form cohesive, whole ideas?

Is it true on WikiCommunity? Absolutely.

See: CommunityDoesNotAgree and MeatBall:CommunityDoesNotAgree for an articulation.

Incidentally, we have recently created CommunityWikiBylaws.

Can collecive bits of ideas and random spurts come together to form cohesive, whole ideas?

No & Yes.

No: It doesn’t happen on its own. It takes someone sitting down, manually collecting things together, to make sense out of the pieces.

Yes: You have to start with pieces before you can assemble something. Processes that are incapable of holding pieces, must manually collect them on an as-needed basis; There is value in some situations in collecting pieces before assembling, without knowing exactly where they will go, or even if they will go anywhere at all.

Using MetaData or some other OrganizingPrinciple?, you can often make things come together “by themselves” in useful ways. Consider Google (full text indexing,) for example.

This said; NoLeader is still true. See: ParadoxOfExpression.

Ask again for examples, I’ll try to answer. (Limited by time immediately.)


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