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I like the title of your blog, Ted. We don’t have Critical Mass events here in Zürich. There’s the Monday Night Skate but it is rather apolitical and inline skating only. Not at all like the Reclaim The Streets events, which are very political.

I’ve enjoyed my times in Switzerland, Alex. My partner grew up in Schaffhausen so we’ve visited there and also spent time with members of the HumanistMovement in Zürich. We’ll likely visit there again in the next 6 months or so.

I’m surprised there’s no CriticalMass? there. Is it because Swiss people like to mostly follow the rules and not raise a fuss? I wouldn’t say CriticalMass? here is political exactly. It’s often described as a party on wheels. The police mostly let us alone and we do our thing. Very different from the facistic police in NewYork?. Not sure I’d be willing to face arrest every month just to ride together when I’m already riding every day.

The Monday Night Skate lists several goals, one of them being the promotion of inline skating, and not listing anything related to taking back the streets from automobiles. Reclaiming the streets would be a political statement. Increasing road safety by reducing average car speed. All those would be “political” in my book. Perhaps I misunderstood Critical Mass; I thought those were their goals. I don’t know why the inline skaters here in Switzerland did not get together with skateboarders or bikers…

Well, it’s hard to say what the goals of CriticalMass? are, since it’s not an organization. There are no bylaws or membership requirements or a missions statement or anything. It started in San Fran as a protest against the first Gulf War and the oil connection. Each person that rides has their own reasons. Here in Chicago someone publishes a zine every month call the Derailleur: an unofficial publication of CCM. Last month’s issue had a letter from the editor on this very topic. He said when asked “What is Critical Mass?” he often answers “Critical Mass is a free fun bike ride that happens on the last Friday of every month.” Beyond that it starts to become a little more complicated. bicyle as transportation, use of public space, etc, etc. Every city is also unique so your mileage may vary (though it’ll be infinitely better on a bike!).


By the way, is there any way to use the OnceAndOnlyOnce concept for a person’s HomePages? across multiple wikis?

Presently, the best way to do it is to say something on your page: “Leave messages for me at (some place),” if you prefer to get your mail through one location.

What Lion says applies for getting info to you. I usually just leave a link to my blog or my email for people who want to contact me. You could also insert an RSS feed on this page here if you felt that you want to let people know more about you.

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In your case the link to your feed is borked, however.

drat - still broken

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I didn’t know you could insert a feed here. That’s cool.

How do I figure out what’s wrong with my feed? I haven’t modified the wordpress default feed. Does this mean the default is broken? The feed seems to work fine in bloglines. Help?

Lion, that’s great for people cooresponding with me. What about for them getting to know me? Should they have to leave their community where they’re comfortable in order to interact with me? That doesn’t seem right. Very presumptuous of me, I feel. I dunno.

Well, most of us just have a NamePage on each wiki.

It works for a few reasons; One, what you just said- it just feels comfortable, to not have to leave a wiki to leave a message for someone. Also, there is context and OverHearing cross-talk: Other people may be interested in overhearing the context. Another is that it makes it easier to check your mail by group; It’s sort of like an automatic clustering mechanism: When you want to check your mail on such-and-such wiki, you just check your namepage on it.

But, if people want it all in one place, they just direct it all to one wiki’s page.

The thing that drives me crazy is that technology hasn’t solved our communications issues. Reading blogs through my rss reader is a great technological solution that enables me to read way more than I would be able to by manually clicking each site and trying to remember if I’d read each post or not. The problem is that a lot of the juicy stuff is in the comments. Some sites have rss for comments, most do not. Ugh.

So then think about wikis. I can get an rss feed for some recent changes pages which keeps me informed about each wiki. Or I can try to remember which wikis I’m active in and go to their sites periodically to see what’s been happening. It’s a combersome process, even if I do use rss because I have to remember how to find the feed and add if for each site, etc, etc. Makes me think I should mention this on the CatchUp page.

Right, right; And, it’s also a software failure that you and I are talking right now quickly, but we can’t see each other typing, and immediately leap into an IRC-type back-and-forth. And, we can’t “bump into each other” as we are browsing the web pages. Yes, yes, yes. PerPageRss? helps somewhat, but still, that’s very cumbersome, is it not. Yes, yes, yes. :) We all note these problems, and agree.

We run into OneBigSoup, and PrioritizingOpenSourceProjectInvolvement. SuperProject, CommunityWikiProgrammingProjectPriorities.

So, perhaps I’m too eager here, but what I want to say is: Is this something you are interested in working on? You don’t have to say “yes” to be a part of the CommunityWiki, but- it just seems to me like your energy is pulling you this way. A lot of what we do here at CommunityWiki is looking at what people are doing, and researching how it fits together, and figuring out how we can carry it forward. We could really use someone like you modeling how things should work, tossing out ideas on how the systems fit together. There’s always a need for vision and understanding and consideration and all this stuff. (Within the constraints of ThinkTalkAct.)

We’ve also strategized on how to create a big construct of vaporware, once we think it up. We can’t just make up good systems and expect them to be used; We know that, because we’ve tried. At the same time, I am (and some others here) are not convinced that incremental piecemeal growth is a total solution. Incremental change is one thing, design is one thing, I think they are both necessary. (AlexSchroeder would disagree, and we obviously respecct AlexSchroeder.)

This leads us to study things here like technology adoption, “innovation diffusion,” things that BrunoLatour? studies.

It also leads us to things like PICA.

There’s a lot going on in the world; We can use all the help we can get here. There are really- so many avenues for contribution.

Okay, it’s clear to me it’s time to stop spouting off my half-baked theories and pie-in-the-sky plans to start reading what’s already here and finding places I can contribute those half-baked theories and pie-in-the-sky plans to somewhere useful. Thanks, Lion!

I know what I wrote is somewhat overbearing; I wish better choice of words flew into my mouth. To be perfectly honest, I’m terribly excited to see y’all here. It just doesn’t always come out right in my words!

So, let me tell you: I’m very excited to see y’all here. :)

We actually do spend a lot of time enumerating half-baked theories. I think wiki (my cat) has bumped the power cord at home (the slightest touch turns off the modem,) either that, or we need to pay Speakeasy. Whichever- I would have shown you the WikiFeatures wiki, with a list of some 150+ feature ideas for wikis, all categorized and arranged and what not.

We do talk about ideas a lot here; We need to see them all and put them into context. We haven’t been good about prioritizing in the past; It was BayleShanks who made the push for us to categorize and understand our view of the projects in the world. BayleShanks is making the case that PICA may be one of the most important projects; I think the reasoning is that it will make a base for community collaboration on inter-operating protocols.

As it is, plenty of people make cool stuff, it’s just entirely in isolation, with very little community feedback (as if there was a community,) and with very little cross-implementation. PICA would fix that by creating a forum and a specifications/standards track. A model community would be freedesktop or GNOME or KDE. Lots of innovation, and it happens in a way that other people’s stuff works with it as well.

We absolutely do need to see all those things you mentioned implemented, and all those things are very real problems.

It will take a community effort to overcome them, lots of programmers working in tandem, and a user, testing, bug tracking, website-maintaining, coordinating organization to see it all through and make sure that people see it.

My belief is that this work is actually x10 more important to FreeCulture and FreeSoftware than, say, KDE, or GNOME. Why? Because it’s information-communications-technology. It’s the seed that makes everything happen. There would be no KDE or GNOME project, if it weren’t for the Internet. We’ve already paid enormous opportunity cost because we haven’t been building the Internet on top of the Internet- the software needed to make contact and structured communication and self-organizing trivial.

I think the main reasons KDE and GNOME took off, were because people saw the dream of Linux, that you could make a free OS, and they wanted to flesh it out all the way to the Desktop. Also, it’s easier: desktop systems are proven technology. There are several desktop systems to draw inspiration from.

But this is not a strategic vision, I don’t think. The strategic thing to do is to figure out how to improve the ICT infrastructure, to strengthen the ability to collaborate itself. DouglassEngelbart? knew it, and talked about it. That’s why I think this is the most important work we can do.

I suspect now, saying this, actually, is that more than just making a particular technology, or another particular technology, the most important thing that we can do is make a blueprint for collecting and collaborating. We need a clear plan about how we’re going to organize PICA, and how we’re going to make sure that we use the technology that we make. Doesn’t require much technical understanding to figure out how we’re going to get ourselves to do this. Just thinking and talking.

I was wrong; There are more than 212 ideas on WikiFeatures. :)

Just found the DistributedLibraryProject? http://dlpdev.theps.net/ListofExistingDlpNodes which seems pretty cool in terms of tech and community (real-life community, it seems). Has anyone tried it?

Lion asked what’s ReworkingThreadMess going to say and gave me lots of great links and the new title. Thanks! I’ll be starting on the section soon. I think it’s really important to encourage people to re-write ThreadMode into DocumentMode when we’ve found a new understanding or at least an understanding about where the disagreements are. Maybe I’ll find in following Lion’s links that this information is already all written. If it is, I may see if I find the need to re-organize it or just link to it in a coherent way.

Thanks for getting the ball rolling, Ted!

I have different thoughts about reworking; I’m much more of a ReworkingLazily? kind of guy, and believe in WikiAsYouLearn. That is, if you find that you’re the one stitching together other people’s arguments, then you are the perfect person to piece a summary together. But this is getting into the ReworkingEconomy article; That’s where we should be having this conversation. I think BayleShanks agrees with you; He believes in ReworkEagerly as well.

A WikiSym memory

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This is just one of many photos in my WikiSym 2005 album. You are welcome to copy, use and repost any of them that you find some utility for. --BrandonCsSanders

Read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom - is there a good place to discuss it? Here? Or a date page?

Let’s give it its own page: DownAndOutInTheMagicKingdom

I just found http://communitywiki.viabloga.com/ - cool! how does it work? I don’t see any of my recent posts there. Are they moderated or filtered in some way? Is this a planetplanet kind of thing?

Bonjour Ted. ViaBloga? is a nice wikiblog platform developed by StephaneGigandet in Paris. No it’s not moderated, the updating does not work. And yes, Stephane is currently trying to make some planetplanet kind of thing. But in our cw case, it does not work for the moment. In french, we call that salade ! Normally, we should be able to make some (collaborative) filtering on choosen keywords. One of his fellow engineer should come to work in our office and it will be easier to understand and debug. I heard also that Viabloga has a english user interface. So Ted if you understand a bit of french you could try to log on http://communitywiki.viabloga.com/session (the admin PublicAccount is : login = ComptePublic et pass : dasaple).

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