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Following the discussion inspired by KeithHopper and his Idea Platform I wondered what we would need to bootstrap new SocialSoftware ideas inside wiki. Basically the idea is that with wiki and some conventions you can imitiate many kinds of asynchronous SocialSoftware. When something proves interesting we can then try to support the conventions with code to make the usage easier. I see one additional feature needed for the wiki to play with the visual side of the new tools - editable style sheets. What do you think?

you are perfectly right! see my experiment here with Blog

Zby: I’ve been looking at a couple wiki engines that are billing themselves as wiki application platforms. Don’t know if you’ve looked at their application interfaces, but many have user scripting and persistant variables to use for tweaking an instance (e.g is a tweaked instance of TWiki). Just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to allow breaking the core structure. For example, it would be easy to try out some sort of isolated quality rating system on pages very quickly to see if and how it might work to rank content, or come up with a new way of collecting, sorting, and trunking posts. Plus, many have plug-in frameworks as their OneBigSoup approach.

Not sure if this is the level of change you were thinking of.

Also, I’ve been experimenting with what I can configure with an oddwiki instance. Here, for example, is an attempt at a comments page embedded into a DocumentMode format page. Keeps the peanut butter and chocolate separate, but let’s the visitor see them together. Mixed feelings about the outcome, but I learned something anyway.

I see one additional feature needed for the wiki to play with the visual side of the new tools - editable style sheets.

Zbigniew, I don’t know if you know this or not, but- CW has editable stylesheets right now. Check the bottom of the sidebar, at the right side of the page. :)

I agree with the general principle you are talking about: We can automate POSTs, and GET the raw versions of the page here, so hypothetically speaking, we can write independently most everything we want.

ChristopheDucamp was championing support for MicroFormats in the WikiEngine, which I think is a fun idea. And BayleShanks, long ago, arguing on the same general lines as you, started the WikiGateway project, so that what works for one wiki works more or less for the others as well. There was also MachineCodeBlocks, and then there are TagTriples, easily adaptable to wiki, and easy wiki scraping.

I myself champion TagTriples within wiki, which is trivial to do.

All you need to do is write some interesting software; the rest follows naturally.

Actually I was thinking about something a bit different. What I had in mind was that KeithHopper or anyone else who wants to test some new collaborative software comes here with a full HTML mockup of his pages and description of the functions. He then makes a wiki pages and CSSs that look exactly like the mockup - and we the wiki community then try to modify them imitating the software functions (just as it is described in SoftTechnology). For example - let’s say Keith have an idea for pages with a voting mechanims - then he puts a number on the page with buttons, the buttons don’t work but we can change the number by editing the page. We can also then reorder entries on some other page etc - just as if this was done by software. This complience with the rules set by the author is quite a heavy requirement - can CommunityWiki do that?

this is a proper page, isn’t it?
if there is no name, we can name it: ZbiOne? .
once again: these are exactly my questions .
TagTriples isa “indeed important pattern of language” .

Agreed. Zby: Might you give this idea a name and create a new page so we can discuss further?


I need to go, but I just wanted to drop off a few notes before I go home:

  • I’ve been experimenting with keeping content in much smaller pieces. Roughly, a sentence to a paragraph.
  • I’ve been experimenting with tuple-production, KnowledgeRepresentation?, automatic inference, idea connection, formal logic systems, and so on.
  • I’ve been fascinated by incremental intelligence.
  • I think there’s room for attaching logic TagTriples side-by-side social bookmark thingies, and wiki-like entries.
  • I feel that this is connected with HelmutLeitner’s ideas of the circle-arc thingie, that I forget the name of right now.

Take care, all; I gotta run right now!

Another Subject on the Same Day:

from wikinews [1]

October 24, 2006

Cyclist Floyd Landis, who finished first in the 2006 Tour de France but is fighting a positive doping test that would strip him of the title, is now pushing his case on the Internet. Facing an appeal before the United States Anti-Doping Agency next year, Landis dubbed this approach “the Wikipedia defense”.

Landis said on October 12, 2006 that he had published a number of documents in the case “to support his innocence in the alleged positive doping test”. These included his attorney’s motion for dismissal, a document package containing test information, and a PowerPoint presentation criticizing the test. This action earned considerable but sometimes-skeptical media coverage in the ongoing saga over the disputed race.

Landis did not set up an actual wiki, but attempted to draw on the collective resources of cycling fans, using the Internet to allow widely distributed review of evidence in his case. He succeeded in getting the community to establish its own wiki independent of him personally, based largely on the Daily Peloton Forum discussions noted below. The topic had already drawn intense interest in a variety of places, including Landis’s Wikipedia entry, which has figured as something of a battleground. The release serves as both a public relations strategy and a way to potentially strengthen his appeal. As Landis put it, “Why turn down free brainpower?”

In anticipation of the release of these documents, Landis had been personally posting on the forums at the Daily Peloton cycling website. He is largely out of action while rehabilitating from hip resurfacing surgery performed in September. As the documents were about to be released, Landis said, “I am sure you guys will find every mistake, even things we haven’t noticed.”

In forum discussions, Landis agreed with sympathetic posters who pointed to this as a “wisdom of crowds” approach, while asking others not to judge him based on incomplete information from media reports. He encouraged people to look at all of the evidence, saying, “We’ll call it the Wikipedia defense, and I would have given everything to you sooner but had a very hard time selling the idea to the lawyers.” At the same time, he said that not all of his arguments against the test had been revealed: “We are not going to compromise our defense by telling all of it.”

Define external redirect: KnowledgeRepresentation ZbiOne

EditNearLinks: PowerPoint DocumentMode WikiEngine