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Summary: Lion and Alex spoke a bit about Markdown; Now Lion is writing about how excited he is that StarCommunity is really excited about some of the core ideas about wiki. TI likes SCW

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> It's great to hear that there are communities for which wiki work! Also, I like that particular wiki. It feels alive.


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new: 2020-12-20 12:32 UTCLionKimbro:

We’re putting this together, and I set it to use the Usemod Markup Extension, because:

  • It’s what I’m familiar with,
  • It’s what Peaceray (StarCommunity participant, long-time Wikipedian) requested, because he’s a Wikipedian.

That said, I see that CW is going a different way, and I’m curious about – (Alex,) – what extension did you install for the current CW format, and, why did you choose it?

This isn’t Creole, right?

new: 2020-12-20 23:16 UTCAlex Schroeder: That’s right. I’ve decided for myself that Markdown was more useful for me. I do a bit of writing in Markdown. All those README files for web frontends of source repositories default to Markdown (and yes, I had a README.creole on GitHub for the longest time, but eventually I figured that simply using README.md like everybody else was going to be simpler. And then I switched my own blog from the Creole rules to Markdown rules (and this is not the first time: I had started out using UseMod rules).

So in short, the Oddmuse Markdown Rules Extension.

Because I was using Markdown elsewhere. Because nobody else that was new to wikis ever got WikiCreole right. It was either the super simple markup we saw on Google+ (asterisk for bold, underscore for italic), or nothing at all: bare URLs get linked and that’s it. So there was a benefit for me personally, a supposed benefit for other people with my sort of background, and as far as I could tell, no drawback for newbies.

Now, Oddmuse facilitates such a switch in that pages that aren’t edited keep their HTML cache, so you can convert pages slowly, as you run into them, or you can try to do a bunch of global search-and-replace operations (like I did on my blog). Back when I made the change, I figured nobody else was using Community Wiki anyway, so I might as well “be bold”. 😅

For a brief moment I also thought that I might be using Community Wiki as a test-bed for my new Gemini wiki engine, Phoebe. But then I created TransjovianCouncil for it and so there is no actual need for GemText (even though you can still reach this site on port 1965).

I you look at the installed modules, you can find other stuff I installed. And there’s the config file as well, which ought to be here: config config-en config-de config-fr.

new: 2020-12-20 12:32 UTCLionKimbro:

I see. Markdown. Yes, it’s all over the ecology – I hear that.

new: 2020-12-20 23:16 UTCAlex Schroeder: Now that I look at it again, I think we’re not actually using Markdown! At last I don’t see it installed.

  • Markup Extension does stuff like bold, italics, code
  • The ATX headers (using number signs) are provided by the GemText implementation in the config file (look for GeminiRule)
  • Unnumbered list items are part of the minimal Oddmuse default rules

No Markdown after all. It’s just wishful thinking, haha. Or maybe proving that most people use a very minimal set.

new: 2020-12-20 12:32 UTCLionKimbro:

I just want to share my excitement here for a moment --

I know StarCommunity isn’t y’alls thing and that’s fine --

But I want to say:

I’m really excited because --

Core StarCommunity people are getting really enthused about wiki, and about the particular way of approaching wiki and TheoryBuilding and such that we’ve been talking about.

It’s just really amazing for me to see that this body of ideas that we built up over the course of about 10 years here on CommunityWiki, actually coming to be something in a real-life live-in community, and playing such an important role, and for the very reasons that we identified here.

It’s one of those “coming full circle” type things, and it makes me feel really good about everything that we did here.

Jack, Gavin, Ben, Rea, all people you don’t know, I know, but really important people to me --

They’re getting really excited about the potentials and possibilities, and they’re looking at it like: “Whoah, I never thought of looking at it that way before.”

They’re particularly intrigued by:

  • How a LinkLanguage develops, and becomes the structure of the wiki.
  • How you can paint structure, referring to pages that aren’t there yet, and how other people can paint in the spaces as interest and time allow.
  • How community topics “leak” into the online space through natural conversation.
  • How structure organically develops, through CategoryPages?.
  • The sheer breadth of communication that possible, and how that breadth organizes into a thing.
    • "You mean, we could post recipes for dinners, and also the fact of our Monday and Fridays themselves, and there could be an index of our recipes, and also a depiction of how we structure our time, and such? That we could put that all online, side-by-side things about our philosophy, and also things about ourselves, and our projects, and this could all work together?"
  • How the BackLink work – you click on a page title, and get the backlinks, and how that makes it possible to kick-start organization.
  • How SoftSecurity works, and we don’t need to have “user accounts” and such, for things to work.
  • How the public can read the things, and understand us better through reading the things that emerge.

I just wanted to share something of my own excitement, and I think also my appreciation of what has happened on this wiki.

I didn’t want it to be like – “CommunityWiki is something that happened in the past, but it’s just, lost information, lost time.” No, I’m excited to see this “living on.” And maybe this connects with WikiRevival. If not in a bigger picture (the picture of computing (big) or CommunityWiki (small), definitely for myself.

new: 2020-12-27 14:33 UTCTimurIsmagilov:

It’s great to hear that there are communities for which wiki work! Also, I like that particular wiki. It feels alive.

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